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been thinking about a few things on your journal, and have a few
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<p style="border: 1px solid black; padding: 3px;"><strong>Originally published at <a href="http://sythyry.com/2005/05/401/">Sythyry</a>. Please leave any <a href="http://sythyry.com/2005/05/401/#comments">comments</a> there.</strong></p><p><span style="font-style: italic;"></span> <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-style: italic;">I&#8217;ve<br /> been thinking about a few things on your journal, and have a few</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> more comments and a few questions. I<br /> think I know why many of the</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> offworlders who replied to you in<br /> the past called you male. It seems to</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> be because, (and others may not<br /> agree with me in this way), that we see</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> your personality as masculine &#8212; as<br /> in, representating many qualities</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> that we find more often in the males<br /> of our species. What exactly do you</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> know about how the gender roles and<br /> personalities are &#8217;supposed&#8217; to be</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> among the prime species? You<br /> mentioned some of these for Herethroy, but</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> I&#8217;m curious about these for other<br /> Primes. How culturally ingrained are</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> these behaviors? Do you think other<br /> primes might end up calling, say, zi</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> ri, who only have one sex, masculine<br /> or femenine, based on how they act?</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> What about using magic to<br /> permanantly change one&#8217;s gender? I think you</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> might&#8217;ve talked about this before,<br /> but has this successfully been done?</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> Has there been a specific spell or<br /> ritual developed for it?</span><br style="font-style: italic;"> </div> <p><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> Well &#8230; nobody could possibly mistake me for being male, female, or<br /> co-lover.&nbsp; Zi Ri aren&#8217;t those, and can&#8217;t be. It&#8217;d be easier to<br /> mistake me for a housecat.</p> <p>Herethroy females are supposed to be strong and stolid and bland.&nbsp;<br /> Herethroy co-lovers are supposed to be sweet and maternal and sexy,<br /> which is why Dustweed wants to be one..&nbsp; Herethroy males are sort<br /> of in-between, but stuck up.&nbsp;&nbsp; Gormoror males are supposed to<br /> be less civilized than Gormoror females.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Those are<br /> the main ones.&nbsp; </p> <p>I&#8217;ve talked before about gender-changing magic, I think, at least about<br /> Dustweed.<br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"></p> <p></span> <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-style: italic;">Also,<br /> based on the grammatical rules for the language you speak, what</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> would more specific sexual<br /> orientations be called, if you had to make up</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> an appropriate word for them in your<br /> language? </span><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"></span></div> <p><span style="font-style: italic;"><br /> </span>I refuse to do this exercise, since someone is translating<br /> everything anyways.&nbsp; I will do a different one.<span<br /> style="font-style: italic;"> </span>I will give the word for each of<br /> these concepts.&nbsp;<span style="font-style: italic;"> </p> <p></span> <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-style: italic;">For<br /> example, how about</span><span style="font-style: italic;"> these:</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> &#8220;One who prefers all prime species<br /> as romantic partners equally&#8221;</p> <p></span></div> <p>Libertine <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> &#8220;One for whom which species of prime<br /> a romantic partner is holds no</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> particular importance at all&#8221;</span></p> </div> <p>Libertine without a sense of judgement. <div style="margin-left: 40px;"> <br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> &#8220;One who prefers romantic partners<br /> inside their own species, but is open</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> relationships with those inside<br /> their own species&#8221;</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> </div> <p>Libertine trying to pretend to be conventional. <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> &#8220;One who prefers romantic partners<br /> with those outside their own species,</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> but not exclusively, and is open to<br /> relationships with those inside their</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> own species&#8221;</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> </div> <p>Traff who refuses to understand that zie is traff. <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> &#8220;One who prefers not to have<br /> romantic partners at all&#8221;</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> </div> <p>Asexual <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> &#8220;One who prefers romantic partners<br /> outside of prime species (!!)&#8221; &#8212;-</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> Would that one be a type of crime?<br /> How major of a crime would that be?</p> <p></span></div> <p>Bestialist. I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s a crime, technically, in Vheshrame,<br /> but it is a social suicide.<span style="font-style: italic;"></span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"></span> <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> &#8220;One who prefers romantic partners<br /> based on their minds, be they same</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> species, other primes, or other<br /> non-prime sentients&#8221;</p> <p></span></div> <p>Bestialist.<span style="font-style: italic;"></span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"></span> <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> &#8220;One who prefers monsters as<br /> romantic partners&#8221;<br /> </span></div> <p> Bestialist.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t see how this is different form the<br /> second-to-previous one.<span style="font-style: italic;"></span><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"></span> <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-style: italic;"><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> </span><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> Are there words in other major prime<br /> languages for these varieties of</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> sexual orientation that you know of?</p> <p></span></div> <p>No.&nbsp; My boyfriend doesn&#8217;t know them either.<span<br /> style="font-style: italic;"></span><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"></span> <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-style: italic;"><br /> Maybe you could look them up?</p> <p></span></div> <p>I presume some Rassimel has assembled a Complete Catalog of Perverts. I<br /> must admit to disinterest in precisely how that Rassimel classifies me.<span<br /> style="font-style: italic;"></span><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"></span> <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-style: italic;"><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> </span><span style="font-style: italic;"> Perhaps another prime<br /> language would be better suited to coming up with</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> words for these options? Do you know<br /> of one?</p> <p></span></div> <p>I generally leave such things to my boyfriend, who, conveniently, is a<br /> linguist.<span style="font-style: italic;"></span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"></span><br style="font-style: italic;"> <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-style: italic;"><br /> Also, back to the &#8220;my world, your world&#8221; thing we were talking about</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> earlier, we have figured out certain<br /> ways of manipulating air to make our</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> versions of skyships go very fast.<br /> If you plan on being an enchanter</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> sometime, and doing Big<br /> Enchantments, you might want to hear about this.</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> I&#8217;m also saying this because I have<br /> heard that certain properties of air</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> that exist on our world do not exist<br /> on your world, and I was curious</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> more about what you know on the<br /> subject, &#8220;how air tends to act, if left</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> to its own, and how moving<br /> mechanical objects can interact with air&#8221; Now,</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> if you are interested in this, or<br /> can direct me to some scholar on your</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> world (who I maybe could speak to<br /> with your journal??) who studies these</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> sorts of things? Where could I find<br /> the type of scholar who studies how</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> objects interact with each other<br /> when non-magical forces are applied to</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> them (like pushing something, or<br /> gravity and things like that)? Figuring</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> out which of the &#8216;laws&#8217; of physics<br /> that we have correspond with those on</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> your world would be fascinating to<br /> me, and is something that I would like</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> to pursue. Alas, I can&#8217;t go to your<br /> world and test things myself. </span><b style="font-style: italic;" <br="&lt;br" /> class="moz-txt-star"><span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span>sigh<span<br /> class="moz-txt-tag">*</span></b><br /> <b style="font-style: italic;" class="moz-txt-star"><span<br /> class="moz-txt-tag"></span></b></div> <p><b style="font-style: italic;" class="moz-txt-star"><span<br /> class="moz-txt-tag"><br /> </span></b><span class="moz-txt-star"><span class="moz-txt-tag">Well, I<br /> can&#8217;t claim to be a great expert in air.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t even like to fly<br /> <span style="font-style: italic;">that</span></span></span><span<br /> class="moz-txt-star"><span class="moz-txt-tag"> much.&nbsp; I would<br /> also rather that scholars on my world not find out about my journal; I<br /> am somewhat embarrassed that I showed it to Esory, even.&nbsp; Natural<br /> philosophers are not so rare here, and I am sure that they know<br /> something about the natural philosphies of air and weather &#8212; there are<br /> classes about those in the course catalog.&nbsp; I am ignorant of such<br /> things. I hope to stay that way.</p> <p>[Briefly: a good fraction of the Newtonian physics of motion applies to<br /> World Tree. Air is a notable exception.&nbsp; For example, primes<br /> believe (based on their available measurements) that the air pressure<br /> does not vary with height up and down the World Tree -- a good thing,<br /> especially if the Tree is infinitely tall.&nbsp;&nbsp; The weather on<br /> the world-branches is heavily managed by a vast horde of air<br /> elementals, who are serious dangers for airships flying too high or too<br /> fast.&nbsp; Killing them off would (1) wreck weather patterns, and (2)<br /> seriously piss off an inescapable Noun God.]<br /> </span></span><b style="font-style: italic;" class="moz-txt-star"><span<br /> class="moz-txt-tag"><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> </span></b><br style="font-style: italic;"> <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-style: italic;"> Oh,<br /> one last thing. I was looking at your recent conversations with</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> Ilottat, and, I was wondering, is<br /> there a city-state or area of prime</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> territory that you know of where<br /> trans relationships are not culturally</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> frowned-upon? </p> <p></span></div> <p>Why, yes, to a significant extent, and not very far away at that.. For<br /> nobility and near-nobility, at least. <span style="font-style: italic;"></span><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"></span> <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-style: italic;"></span></div> <p><span style="font-style: italic;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br /> <br /> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Maybe a place where they are<br /> encouraged? </p> <p></span>Not that.&nbsp;&nbsp; At least, less discouraged than in most<br /> places. </p> <p><span style="font-style: italic;"></span> <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-style: italic;">In my<br /> world, people of similar cultural viewpoints often gather in cities<br /> that begin</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> to serve as cultural centers for<br /> people with those viewpoints. Surely if</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> you and Ilottat could go to a place<br /> that is&#8230; liberal about</span><br style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> transaffectionate relationships, a<br /> place where he could be openly traff</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> with you, it might help lower some<br /> of his fears of being known as traff,</span><br<br /> style="font-style: italic;"><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"> and some of his insecurities about<br /> the subject?</p> <p></span></div> <p>He did so, in fact, to the extent that one can in Ketheria.&nbsp;<br /> Vheshrame has a branch-wide reputation as having sexually adventurous<br /> nobility, and, indeed, upper-class commoners.&nbsp; Tethezai would not<br /> be so bold in Daukhrame, for example &#8230; and neither, I think, would<br /> I.&nbsp; You can take the Orren out of Daukhrame, but taking Daukrhame<br /> out of the Orren is harder. </p> <p><span style="font-style: italic;"></span><br /> <span style="font-style: italic;"></span></p> <p><script type="text/javascript">SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: "", url: "" });</script></p>
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